No Room For Dissent In Sinn Fein?
Yes, folks. I know I’ve been laying the boot into Sinn Fein lately. It’s not as if I’m alone in doing that.
After all, it does seem that the British Government is pulling out all the stops to make life easier for the party. We’ll shortly be welcoming back our old “On The Run” muckers. The Northern Bank and McCartney investigations appear to be on a go-slow. Sean Kelly walking the streets after a very shady re-arrest. Etcetera, etcetera.
Anyway, it was with some amount of glee that I read about Francie Molloy being suspended from the ‘thought-police’ party this week. Molloy, as you probably all know, opposed the review of public administration in Northern Ireland. Well, not all of it. He was in favour of 15 councils instead of 7. That’s still a reduction from the 26 councils we currently have.
Molloy’s concerns were that the 7 council model would be an effective re-partitioning of Northern Ireland and that the proposed reforms represented a “sectarian headcount”. And then he was suspended.
Now, I’ve long held that Sinn Fein are a control-freak kind of political party (almost like Mr. Blair’s crowd). You don’t make up your mind, it is made up for you. And never deviate from the position as you have been told it. The suspension of Francie Molloy adds weight to this notion.
Sinn Fein supporters should look at this issue carefully. Why should Molloy be silenced? What is wrong with voicing an alternative opinion? Surely this is healthy?
Ask yourself - when was the last time a Sinn Fein member publicly opposed the official party line?
They are very similar to New Labour in it’s hey days Mr L. There’s even the equivalents of Blair’s babes.
Dissent is not tolerated - cumanns that step out of line are disbanded. There was one SF councillor who was cast into the wilderness for daring to criticise the IRA when they killed some of his constituents at the Falls Road Baths.
“There?s even the equivalents of Blair?s babes.”
LOL, You wish!
“cumanns that step out of line are disbanded”
Not true, that power is not open to the party. You need to do better research
Hard to do research when the party is so secretive mo chara - hell, try finding any upto date news on Francie Molloy on their website ! ;)SF are worse than Opus Dei!
Mr Levee: Good post. “Ask yourself - when was the last time a Sinn Fein member publicly opposed the official party line?” Answer, Sinn Feins cllr John Kelly MLA did, but Kelly was no fool because he waited until after his selection for the Assembly Election of November 2003.
What happened next is of public record. To Kellys complete amazment the Mid-Ulster papers informed their readership, which included John Kelly, an absolute unknown in the form of Geraldine Dougan was to contest the seat on behalf of Sinn Fein.
Ms Dougan went on to take Kellys seat. Insiders in Sinn Fein conseated the party could have put up a donkey and still win the contest, but others in the party said they did and they did. The double irony here is Molloy and Kelly both stood for Sinn Fein and both were lone voices from Mid-Ulster.
MR: You’re a mine of information! Certainly, Molloy is probably in the ‘penitence booth’ right now flagellating himself for speaking out of turn!
Parnell: That’s an interesting point. I’m sure most of us were completely unaware of this - I know I was. Speaks volumes about this party.
The more I hear, the less I like.
You’re a dab hand with th’oul paintbrush Mr Levee. Maybe you could replace that fella on Hearts and Minds if he ever packs it in.
Cheers Hugh, but there’s a reason I don’t do this stuff professionally - it takes me too long! Maybe with a bit of practice…
I never even noticed that was your own work Levee - looks great!
One part of computers I could never get my head around was the graphicy arty bit
Love the graphic - Hammering dissent indeed!!
Thanks folks - you’re all too kind!
Beano: I got myself one of those graphics tablets - a NISIS one. Still getting used to it, but I like to drop the odd graphic into my posts here and there. Although as I said to Hugh, it takes me forever to do them.
Hard to do research when the party is so secretive mo chara
Really?
Who did you ask?
Did you ask me?
hell, try finding any upto date news on Francie Molloy on their website !
That’s because there is no update
SF are worse than Opus Dei!
Low MR, very low
but Kelly was no fool because he waited until after his selection for the Assembly Election of November 2003
Not true, he wasn’t re-selected and that is why he “spoke out”
To Kellys complete amazment the Mid-Ulster papers informed their readership, which included John Kelly, an absolute unknown in the form of Geraldine Dougan was to contest the seat on behalf of Sinn Fein.
What utter tripe!
There was a selection convention held and Geraldine was selected by the majority of delegates. I find it very hard to believe that John didn’t know about the selection convention.
Ms Dougan went on to take Kellys seat
Geraldine did not take “kellys seat”, nobody owns a seat. You submit yourself before the electorate and hope they endorse your canditature, they endorsed Geraldine’s
End of!
I will ignore the crap about the insider bit because I believe that you are lying.
Chris: Unlike you who only thinks I was lying, but you are an outspoken critic of anyone that questions Sinn Fein afterall, I know you are a liar. You fool.
LMAO
Chris: Unlike you who only thinks I was lying, but you are an outspoken critic of anyone that questions Sinn Fein afterall, I know you are a liar. You fool
Ok, this time in English
Chris - can you give me a link to the SF constitution ? That’s what I mean by secretive. Can you give me a link to details of what happened to the SF members suspended after the McCartney Murder ? Who they were and why they were suspended and when and why they were reinstated ?
“hell, try finding any upto date news on Francie Molloy on their website !”
That?s because there is no update
= Secretive
How about details of How and Why Francie Molloy was canned ? Will details of his hearing be public ?
Now to see if you have dealt with Parnell’s destruction of the party’s silliness over OTRs - a.k.a as Gerry’s U-turn.
“Chris - can you give me a link to the SF constitution”
No, we don’t have an on-line copy
Tell me which party has?
If you want to know something all you have to do is ask.
“That?s what I mean by secretive”
In that case all of the parties are secretive.
FFS the DUP don’t have any rules and procedures!!
“Can you give me a link to details of what happened to the SF members suspended after the McCartney Murder ?”
I told you before, some expelled and some left.
“Who they were and why they were suspended and when and why they were reinstated ?”
It is a matter of Public record regarding these people.
“That?s because there is no update
= Secretive”
Hardly, just the truth
“Will details of his hearing be public ?”
Yes
Now to see if you have dealt with Parnell?s destruction of the party?s silliness over OTRs - a.k.a as Gerry?s U-turn.
I’m sorry, I can’t understand your last paragraph
Chris, Chris - what has the UUP or DUP being secretive to do with your denials that SF are secretive ? But tell you what - can you send me a copy of the SF constitution ?
It is a matter of Public record regarding these people.
No it isn’t. Where were their names given and exactly why they were suspended ? Where was the dates of their re-admission and the reasoning as to why - in detail - they were readmitted given ?
On Balrog you said you would address on this site the points Parnell made that I quoted.
Still waiting
“But tell you what - can you send me a copy of the SF constitution ?”
Yes
“Where were their names given and exactly why they were suspended ?”
To the press at the time
“Where was the dates of their re-admission and the reasoning as to why”
I don’t know but as they were re-admitted they obviously were found not guilty and as such no information needs to be given.
“On Balrog you said you would address on this site the points Parnell made that I quoted.
Still waiting”
I have answered all of Parnell’s “points”
Chris, I’m not baiting you by saying this, but you must acknowledge that Sinn Fein are rightly attracting a lot of stick at the moment.
By defending them throughout this, you’re showing blind loyalty, but little integrity.
Q: ?But tell you what - can you send me a copy of the SF constitution ??
Yes
Chris - I look forward to receiving a copy !
Q: ?Where were their names given and exactly why they were suspended ??
To the press at the time
Nope. Not that I recall. There was an announcement made, but details were thin on the ground.
Q: ?Where was the dates of their re-admission and the reasoning as to why?
I don?t know but as they were re-admitted they obviously were found not guilty and as such no information needs to be given.
Secret as claimed - with what were they charged ?
Whitewash alert !
Q:On Balrog you said you would address on this site the points Parnell made that I quoted.
Still waiting?
I have answered all of Parnell?s ?points?
Where ? Not on the relevent thread - Parnell
destroyed your Party’s claims on the below thread November 27th, 2005 at 8:28 pm.
http://www.theleveebreaks.co.uk/index.php/2005/11/27/legalising-crime#comments
but you must acknowledge that Sinn Fein are rightly attracting a lot of stick at the moment
I accept that we are taking stick but I do not accept that a lot of it is justified.
“By defending them throughout this, you?re showing blind loyalty, but little integrity”
Levee, I would be lacking in integity if I didn’t believe what I was saying but I can assure you that I do.
I always speak my mind, I am not a political sheep!
Mr Gaskan, Are you being a little insincere? What does the name Patsy Groogan mean to you, and what is his relation to Mr. Casey c o HMP Magaberry?
Was Mr Groogan shafted like cllr John Kelly MLA? And, but this is important, Was Mr Casey set up by …. Sinn Fein?. If not, why did they dishonnor the Casey family, after all Mr Gaskan, did not that family pay the ultimate price?
Does he get food parcels from his comrades. If not, why not. Was he not a member of your party.
“Mr Gaskan”
My name is Gaskin!
As in, My name is Bond - James Bond. Sorry Mr Gascoine: You would almost think I did that deliberatly. My problem is I only ever remember important names. Those that matter. Have a nice day.
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